WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.276 --> 00:00:07.106 >> Okay did you hear the recording in progress? 2 00:00:07.226 --> 00:00:10.416 >> No but I see the little button. 3 00:00:10.696 --> 00:00:11.416 >> Is it red? 4 00:00:11.686 --> 00:00:13.656 >> I heard it, yep I heard it. 5 00:00:13.896 --> 00:00:14.786 >> Okay, wonderful. 6 00:00:14.786 --> 00:00:17.306 Alright, so thank you for coming 7 00:00:17.306 --> 00:00:21.126 to our third EIT Accessibility Training. 8 00:00:21.126 --> 00:00:25.526 Today we're going to focus on PowerPoint presentations. 9 00:00:25.526 --> 00:00:30.446 A couple of you have been to this will be the third one 10 00:00:30.686 --> 00:00:33.496 but if you haven't that's okay. 11 00:00:33.496 --> 00:00:34.366 If you've been coming 12 00:00:34.366 --> 00:00:38.386 to our presentations you might see a few things 13 00:00:38.386 --> 00:00:42.796 that are not really repetitive but that we're going 14 00:00:42.796 --> 00:00:46.676 to cover again because it pertains to PowerPoint. 15 00:00:46.676 --> 00:00:50.006 So, things like we'll have a very brief slide on color 16 00:00:50.006 --> 00:00:53.676 and text and things like that, fonts and stuff. 17 00:00:53.676 --> 00:00:55.676 But there's going to be a whole bunch of other new material 18 00:00:55.676 --> 00:01:00.966 that we're going to share and all three once we can get them 19 00:01:00.966 --> 00:01:05.426 up on the website, all three of the trainings will be 20 00:01:05.426 --> 00:01:08.766 on the website, so that's going to be helpful 21 00:01:08.866 --> 00:01:10.586 if you didn't get the opportunity 22 00:01:10.586 --> 00:01:11.396 to go to the other ones. 23 00:01:11.396 --> 00:01:16.146 So, today we're going to focus on PowerPoint presentations 24 00:01:16.256 --> 00:01:20.046 and what's important about PowerPoint is 25 00:01:20.166 --> 00:01:22.736 that it's the most popular tool 26 00:01:22.736 --> 00:01:26.016 for creating slideshows and presentations. 27 00:01:26.016 --> 00:01:27.766 It's widely used. 28 00:01:28.036 --> 00:01:31.196 I know I've used it a ton. 29 00:01:31.196 --> 00:01:34.926 I use it when I teach when I've done my own presentations. 30 00:01:35.236 --> 00:01:38.726 So, it's something that a lot of people use 31 00:01:38.726 --> 00:01:40.646 and so this training is going to focus 32 00:01:40.676 --> 00:01:44.456 on how we can make those PowerPoint presentations 33 00:01:44.706 --> 00:01:48.066 more accessible. 34 00:01:48.066 --> 00:01:50.846 Okay, so I know if you're sitting in front of, 35 00:01:50.846 --> 00:01:52.906 you know you're getting ready to start 36 00:01:53.026 --> 00:01:57.326 and even before now I use the Cayuga, you know, 37 00:01:57.536 --> 00:01:59.406 the built in PowerPoint. 38 00:01:59.406 --> 00:02:02.216 But there have been times in the past and all 39 00:02:02.216 --> 00:02:04.496 of you may have done presentations in the past 40 00:02:04.496 --> 00:02:09.596 where you're thinking okay I want a really cool slide design 41 00:02:09.596 --> 00:02:10.786 and layout. 42 00:02:10.906 --> 00:02:16.676 I want to find a really fun theme, but we have to be mindful 43 00:02:16.766 --> 00:02:20.776 that we should be looking at slide designs that are built 44 00:02:20.776 --> 00:02:22.976 into PowerPoint because I know there are some 45 00:02:22.976 --> 00:02:25.316 that are out there. 46 00:02:25.396 --> 00:02:28.716 Online you can find some with some really cool things 47 00:02:29.216 --> 00:02:33.856 but that's to avoid themes with background patterns for those 48 00:02:33.856 --> 00:02:35.946 that I have like gradient colors 49 00:02:36.206 --> 00:02:38.486 because they can make text difficult to read. 50 00:02:38.486 --> 00:02:40.886 So, we want to choose a theme 51 00:02:40.886 --> 00:02:45.676 that has good color contrast, simple backgrounds. 52 00:02:45.996 --> 00:02:49.226 As we're looking at themes we want to make sure 53 00:02:49.226 --> 00:02:53.196 that the color, the fonts and the layout of content 54 00:02:53.266 --> 00:02:55.686 on a slide is taken into account 55 00:02:55.686 --> 00:02:59.416 because certain things can significantly impact that 56 00:02:59.416 --> 00:03:02.736 and make it not accessible. 57 00:03:02.736 --> 00:03:05.926 So, if you've done PowerPoint, I'm assuming you have 58 00:03:05.926 --> 00:03:08.446 because you're here at the presentation, 59 00:03:08.446 --> 00:03:11.786 there's a whole bunch of designs that are built in and most 60 00:03:11.786 --> 00:03:14.296 of those they're all generally accessible 61 00:03:14.296 --> 00:03:20.256 and they should be used, so you can just click design. 62 00:03:20.256 --> 00:03:24.636 Layout, so I didn't realize there was another way 63 00:03:24.636 --> 00:03:25.826 to do layout. 64 00:03:25.826 --> 00:03:28.396 I know that there's layout within PowerPoint 65 00:03:28.396 --> 00:03:31.206 but when we were starting to look into this topic 66 00:03:31.206 --> 00:03:34.946 and this training it talked about not putting 67 00:03:34.946 --> 00:03:36.996 in your own layout which I don't think I would be able 68 00:03:36.996 --> 00:03:38.936 to do anyway. 69 00:03:38.936 --> 00:03:42.336 So, the easiest thing to do is use the built-in layouts 70 00:03:42.336 --> 00:03:45.526 that PowerPoint provides you 71 00:03:45.656 --> 00:03:49.086 and they're accessible, so it's pretty easy. 72 00:03:49.086 --> 00:03:51.156 As long you're choosing a layout that's built 73 00:03:51.156 --> 00:03:54.786 into PowerPoint you're good because most slides 74 00:03:54.786 --> 00:03:59.276 as this one here you can see on the side have a title 75 00:03:59.476 --> 00:04:03.896 and then a placeholder area where you can add your content. 76 00:04:03.896 --> 00:04:05.196 The other thing we're going to talk a little bit 77 00:04:05.196 --> 00:04:08.456 about is the reading order 78 00:04:09.286 --> 00:04:12.656 and so our predesigned layouts will help provide 79 00:04:12.656 --> 00:04:16.826 that correct heading structure and that logical reading order 80 00:04:16.826 --> 00:04:18.396 for a screen reader user. 81 00:04:18.436 --> 00:04:21.606 So, a lot of what we're going to talk about are for individuals 82 00:04:21.606 --> 00:04:25.296 that you use screen readers, blind individuals or those 83 00:04:25.296 --> 00:04:27.226 with low vision who struggle 84 00:04:27.226 --> 00:04:30.526 to see a screen the reading order is going 85 00:04:30.526 --> 00:04:31.856 to be extremely important 86 00:04:31.856 --> 00:04:33.636 because the screen reader that's how they're going 87 00:04:33.636 --> 00:04:37.036 to get the content from the screen reading going through 88 00:04:37.036 --> 00:04:39.936 and reading it out loud to them. 89 00:04:39.936 --> 00:04:43.086 And I do have a few examples, so we're going to look 90 00:04:43.086 --> 00:04:47.396 at some PowerPoint slide layout examples. 91 00:04:52.086 --> 00:04:58.836 So, nope that's not it. 92 00:04:59.026 --> 00:04:59.556 I apologize. 93 00:04:59.556 --> 00:05:02.536 How about here. 94 00:05:02.856 --> 00:05:05.486 Give me one second. 95 00:05:11.706 --> 00:05:13.606 I thought. 96 00:05:15.856 --> 00:05:23.396 Okay, thank you for your patience. 97 00:05:23.566 --> 00:05:29.016 Okay, so as we talked about built-in layouts should be used. 98 00:05:29.016 --> 00:05:33.886 You know we've kind of covered that. 99 00:05:34.146 --> 00:05:39.966 Built-in slide layout will have picture title text. 100 00:05:40.216 --> 00:05:47.626 This is the visual order that the content and the screen 101 00:05:47.626 --> 00:05:49.436 but even if it comes in this order, 102 00:05:49.436 --> 00:05:50.936 the screen reader is going to read it this way. 103 00:05:50.936 --> 00:05:53.446 We're going to talk to you a little bit more about that. 104 00:05:53.446 --> 00:05:54.846 It seems sort of confusing 105 00:05:54.846 --> 00:05:57.246 but when you do an accessibility checker, 106 00:05:57.246 --> 00:06:04.016 the visual order will show you one, two, 107 00:06:04.016 --> 00:06:08.496 three picture title texts but the screen reader is going 108 00:06:08.496 --> 00:06:10.676 to read it as a title picture and text. 109 00:06:10.866 --> 00:06:14.606 So, here's an example, okay, you're going 110 00:06:15.776 --> 00:06:18.856 to add a picture here, your title and your text 111 00:06:18.856 --> 00:06:20.256 and that's what we see up here 112 00:06:21.446 --> 00:06:24.106 but when the screen reader reads it as long you're putting it 113 00:06:24.106 --> 00:06:27.596 in the correct order, the title picture and text will be right. 114 00:06:27.596 --> 00:06:30.596 We're going to talk a little bit more about that when we get 115 00:06:30.596 --> 00:06:31.726 into the reading order. 116 00:06:31.836 --> 00:06:35.596 I don't want to confuse you. 117 00:06:35.596 --> 00:06:36.876 So, these are your built-in. 118 00:06:37.066 --> 00:06:38.126 We've all seen these. 119 00:06:38.126 --> 00:06:39.916 These are your built-in slides. 120 00:06:40.016 --> 00:06:46.566 Here's, I don't even know where they got this from, 121 00:06:46.666 --> 00:06:51.236 but this is like a manually created text boxes. 122 00:06:51.306 --> 00:06:54.856 I don't even know why you'd want to do that because it's 123 00:06:54.856 --> 00:06:59.916 so much easier to use the one that's built in. 124 00:07:00.156 --> 00:07:02.486 And here you go you're going 125 00:07:02.486 --> 00:07:07.336 to put your title, your content, okay. 126 00:07:07.336 --> 00:07:09.006 And you probably are aware how 127 00:07:09.006 --> 00:07:13.526 to choose what slides what you want, things like that, okay. 128 00:07:13.656 --> 00:07:18.576 So, we're going to talk more about reading order in a second. 129 00:07:21.706 --> 00:07:25.896 Okay, so every slide must have an accurate 130 00:07:25.896 --> 00:07:27.626 and informative title. 131 00:07:27.626 --> 00:07:34.026 And again, this is something that I learned from working 132 00:07:34.026 --> 00:07:36.816 through some of this with Jeannie and Heather. 133 00:07:36.816 --> 00:07:39.516 Each title should be unique. 134 00:07:39.676 --> 00:07:42.706 So, I have done presentations on office 135 00:07:42.706 --> 00:07:46.966 of accessibility resources at high schools, and I'll have 136 00:07:46.966 --> 00:07:48.926 about three slides that say office 137 00:07:48.926 --> 00:07:50.876 of accessibility resources. 138 00:07:50.876 --> 00:07:54.156 The contents different but the title is all the same. 139 00:07:54.266 --> 00:07:58.606 And what I didn't realize is that each slide should be unique 140 00:07:58.646 --> 00:08:02.446 so the title, for example, if it's going to be office 141 00:08:02.446 --> 00:08:04.146 of accessibility resources 142 00:08:04.456 --> 00:08:06.606 if it's the first one you can leave it at that 143 00:08:07.026 --> 00:08:10.706 but if you have two more with the same title, putting a two 144 00:08:10.706 --> 00:08:15.446 in parenthesis will make it unique so that if someone 145 00:08:15.446 --> 00:08:17.386 that uses a screen reader wants to kind of jump 146 00:08:17.386 --> 00:08:20.966 around a presentation after the fact they'll know 147 00:08:21.076 --> 00:08:27.086 that these are three different pages with unique material, 148 00:08:27.176 --> 00:08:28.416 so different material. 149 00:08:29.106 --> 00:08:31.586 And that's documented by making sure 150 00:08:31.586 --> 00:08:35.356 that we let individuals know that this is the first one 151 00:08:35.356 --> 00:08:36.836 and then two in parenthesis three. 152 00:08:36.836 --> 00:08:41.426 It's very similar to those of you who came 153 00:08:41.426 --> 00:08:45.086 to our word document presentation and accessibility. 154 00:08:45.086 --> 00:08:47.716 It serves the same function as headers 155 00:08:47.746 --> 00:08:51.666 because we want a screen reader to be able to tell the user what 156 00:08:51.666 --> 00:08:56.456 that slide is about and that way they can help orient themselves 157 00:08:56.456 --> 00:09:00.796 before reading the content. 158 00:09:00.796 --> 00:09:10.366 Okay, so we're going to take a quick look at, okay, 159 00:09:10.366 --> 00:09:12.666 here's an example of a title without a slide. 160 00:09:12.666 --> 00:09:15.866 This is, the queue likes to call them good and bad examples 161 00:09:15.866 --> 00:09:18.416 which makes it pretty easy. 162 00:09:18.866 --> 00:09:21.266 So, an agenda but there's no title. 163 00:09:21.496 --> 00:09:23.156 So, it's very difficulty to know, 164 00:09:23.156 --> 00:09:25.196 a screen reader is not really going 165 00:09:25.196 --> 00:09:28.356 to know what they're looking at here. 166 00:09:28.986 --> 00:09:33.396 Here's a good example with an accurate and informative title, 167 00:09:33.606 --> 00:09:36.026 top three tips interacting with customers 168 00:09:36.026 --> 00:09:37.526 with physical disabilities. 169 00:09:37.526 --> 00:09:40.126 Screen reader is going to be able to read this 170 00:09:40.426 --> 00:09:45.186 and the content and then as long as we have an alternative text 171 00:09:45.186 --> 00:09:46.686 for this picture, it will read that 172 00:09:46.686 --> 00:09:50.156 and that's more to follow on that. 173 00:09:50.156 --> 00:09:53.106 As we said each title slide should be unique. 174 00:09:53.106 --> 00:09:54.466 I have a lot of work to do. 175 00:09:54.466 --> 00:09:58.006 Even from teaching I've got a number of presentations 176 00:09:58.006 --> 00:09:59.916 where I use the same title on multiple 177 00:10:00.046 --> 00:10:02.016 pages because I think I'm talking about the same topic 178 00:10:02.016 --> 00:10:05.936 but again making sure that something is different 179 00:10:05.936 --> 00:10:09.486 about each one even if it's just numbering it. 180 00:10:11.836 --> 00:10:12.936 Okay. 181 00:10:22.166 --> 00:10:23.606 Okay, reading order. 182 00:10:23.716 --> 00:10:25.036 I didn't skip one did I? 183 00:10:25.036 --> 00:10:28.006 Let me just make sure. 184 00:10:28.006 --> 00:10:28.073 >> No. 185 00:10:28.073 --> 00:10:28.456 >> No, okay. 186 00:10:28.456 --> 00:10:32.796 So, this is really if you went to again our presentation 187 00:10:32.936 --> 00:10:37.026 on Microsoft Word documents you'll remember some of this 188 00:10:37.026 --> 00:10:39.386 in terms of reading order and why if you're going 189 00:10:39.386 --> 00:10:41.086 to do an agenda for, you know, a day. 190 00:10:41.156 --> 00:10:46.506 Maybe there's an event and you're having people comes in 191 00:10:46.506 --> 00:10:50.386 and you're going to have introductions and then a break 192 00:10:50.386 --> 00:10:53.596 and this this topic, that topic, it's important 193 00:10:54.316 --> 00:10:59.246 that you're using headers to differentiate what is important 194 00:10:59.246 --> 00:11:02.386 and what is going to be at the top, what is your heading 195 00:11:02.386 --> 00:11:04.856 and then what falls underneath it. 196 00:11:04.886 --> 00:11:07.566 So, it's the same thing with PowerPoint, 197 00:11:07.886 --> 00:11:12.216 the content of a slide it's important to make sure 198 00:11:12.216 --> 00:11:15.996 that again the screen reader is able to read that material 199 00:11:15.996 --> 00:11:19.246 in the order that it's supposed to be read. 200 00:11:19.596 --> 00:11:23.596 Now what's interesting about it and this is probably going 201 00:11:23.596 --> 00:11:28.516 to be something that you may have to look at again 202 00:11:28.936 --> 00:11:32.076 to really understand it because we've had conversations 203 00:11:32.076 --> 00:11:35.176 about how it can be a little tricky, but the content 204 00:11:35.826 --> 00:11:39.526 of a slide is read in the order it is added and you can move it 205 00:11:39.526 --> 00:11:44.866 around but if you start with content 206 00:11:45.376 --> 00:11:47.866 and you don't put a title it's going 207 00:11:48.106 --> 00:11:52.176 to read the content first, the title second. 208 00:11:52.416 --> 00:11:56.046 So, you want to make sure that you put all your information 209 00:11:56.046 --> 00:11:58.606 in again using a slide design that's built in, 210 00:11:58.606 --> 00:12:03.766 a slide layout that's built in and looking at, you know, 211 00:12:03.766 --> 00:12:06.646 put your material in and if you want to go back 212 00:12:06.646 --> 00:12:09.086 and change your title so it's coming in after, 213 00:12:09.296 --> 00:12:16.266 you can actually change the reading order manually. 214 00:12:16.376 --> 00:12:21.886 So, the simple long and short of it is you have a slide in front 215 00:12:21.886 --> 00:12:25.056 of you, you're adding content, then you think, huh, 216 00:12:25.156 --> 00:12:26.266 I need to add a title. 217 00:12:26.266 --> 00:12:27.676 I'm going to add my title. 218 00:12:28.156 --> 00:12:29.966 This might be cool to put a picture in. 219 00:12:30.016 --> 00:12:33.166 I'm going to do my picture and then you go 220 00:12:33.166 --> 00:12:36.676 to the accessibility checker which we're going 221 00:12:36.676 --> 00:12:40.376 to show you later and when you click on that it's going 222 00:12:40.376 --> 00:12:42.986 to show the reading order for that slide. 223 00:12:43.266 --> 00:12:47.356 Since you've been adding stuff in different times, 224 00:12:47.636 --> 00:12:54.466 you can actually move these around and there's a way to do 225 00:12:54.466 --> 00:12:58.836 that and we can show you that in the accessibility checker. 226 00:12:58.836 --> 00:13:02.306 And so here you can drag the item and move it. 227 00:13:02.306 --> 00:13:06.236 No, I want this slide to be read by screen reader 228 00:13:06.236 --> 00:13:08.916 with title first and then this and then this 229 00:13:08.916 --> 00:13:09.786 and then the picture 230 00:13:09.786 --> 00:13:13.286 but remember reading order is upside down. 231 00:13:13.286 --> 00:13:15.566 It's like top to bottom and that's 232 00:13:15.736 --> 00:13:17.996 where it can get a little confusing, 233 00:13:17.996 --> 00:13:20.016 so that's something to keep in mind. 234 00:13:20.166 --> 00:13:22.756 What's at the bottom is what's read first. 235 00:13:23.506 --> 00:13:26.876 I know it's a little confusing but. 236 00:13:27.036 --> 00:13:31.306 And we can go over this again if people have questions. 237 00:13:31.596 --> 00:13:35.596 Any questions so far? 238 00:13:36.726 --> 00:13:40.866 Okay. So, again something else that I learned, 239 00:13:40.946 --> 00:13:44.586 when I first learned PowerPoint quite a few years ago I though 240 00:13:44.706 --> 00:13:46.866 oh this is fun you can have all these animations 241 00:13:46.866 --> 00:13:50.036 and your slide transitions makes it cool, 242 00:13:50.756 --> 00:13:52.326 flashy, things like that. 243 00:13:52.946 --> 00:13:55.986 Well, really in terms of accessibility, 244 00:13:55.986 --> 00:13:58.386 slide transitions should be avoided. 245 00:13:59.116 --> 00:14:01.646 So, they can be distracting. 246 00:14:01.646 --> 00:14:03.416 They can be visually overwhelming, 247 00:14:04.006 --> 00:14:09.626 and none is the default in terms of transitions 248 00:14:09.696 --> 00:14:12.576 and so that's the recommended option. 249 00:14:12.576 --> 00:14:14.816 That's what going to help making it assessable. 250 00:14:15.336 --> 00:14:20.086 So, avoiding slide transitions, things spinning around all 251 00:14:20.086 --> 00:14:25.456 of that or, you know, information jumping in. 252 00:14:25.456 --> 00:14:28.756 Animations, you can use animations, 253 00:14:28.756 --> 00:14:30.056 but they should be simple. 254 00:14:31.126 --> 00:14:36.436 So, in my opinion, I think it's just easier to avoid all of it 255 00:14:36.666 --> 00:14:42.606 to maintain accessibility but it's really up, you know, 256 00:14:42.606 --> 00:14:43.576 it's up to the user 257 00:14:43.576 --> 00:14:46.786 but definitely avoiding the transitions and if you can come 258 00:14:46.786 --> 00:14:48.196 up with a basic that's fine too. 259 00:14:48.196 --> 00:14:52.976 And I'll show you a quick example of slide transitions. 260 00:15:05.046 --> 00:15:06.586 So, this is kind of the same thing. 261 00:15:06.586 --> 00:15:11.866 So, here a slide, whoa, you know this is out of control. 262 00:15:11.916 --> 00:15:19.066 Random bars, for me this is very difficult to look at visually. 263 00:15:19.386 --> 00:15:21.926 It bothers my eyes. 264 00:15:22.016 --> 00:15:25.786 If I go down and see here there is no slide transition 265 00:15:25.786 --> 00:15:28.686 and that's a lot easier to read. 266 00:15:29.936 --> 00:15:35.156 This is probably, you know, to me this almost looks 267 00:15:35.186 --> 00:15:38.266 like a curtain that they want to open and then you would see this 268 00:15:38.266 --> 00:15:41.536 but avoiding the slide transition. 269 00:15:41.726 --> 00:15:45.696 A simple animation could be like the appear. 270 00:15:46.346 --> 00:15:51.436 So, it's doesn't really create much distraction 271 00:15:51.776 --> 00:15:59.636 but this one has a distracting animation where it spins. 272 00:15:59.636 --> 00:16:01.106 I've used this. 273 00:16:01.106 --> 00:16:03.356 Again, I have a lot of work to do too going back 274 00:16:03.356 --> 00:16:06.046 through some things, but it spins around. 275 00:16:06.046 --> 00:16:11.276 It looks fun but it's excessive and distracting and that's going 276 00:16:11.456 --> 00:16:14.536 to be difficult even for a screen reader 277 00:16:14.536 --> 00:16:17.826 because as you're going through it it's not going 278 00:16:17.946 --> 00:16:19.516 to read it accurately. 279 00:16:19.516 --> 00:16:25.996 But here's a simple animation, you want to appear as you, 280 00:16:26.236 --> 00:16:30.186 you know, present, it's not visually distracting. 281 00:16:31.706 --> 00:16:37.306 They appear with no visual distracting movement, okay. 282 00:16:37.456 --> 00:16:42.406 Again, I mean as much as they're fun I would say avoid them all 283 00:16:43.596 --> 00:16:44.536 but if you really want 284 00:16:44.536 --> 00:16:46.626 to you can use an animation that's simple. 285 00:16:46.906 --> 00:16:54.616 Okay. Okay, columns. 286 00:16:55.956 --> 00:16:58.696 So, columns must be real columns 287 00:16:59.196 --> 00:17:01.436 and not creating using the tab key. 288 00:17:01.706 --> 00:17:05.356 If the tab key is used a screen reader will read 289 00:17:05.356 --> 00:17:08.296 across both columns row by row and then all 290 00:17:08.296 --> 00:17:10.286 of the texts will be out of order. 291 00:17:10.286 --> 00:17:12.816 So, we want to make sure that we're not doing that. 292 00:17:12.976 --> 00:17:17.456 We can actually, you can create columns right within PowerPoint 293 00:17:17.576 --> 00:17:23.626 to columns and it will format it for you. 294 00:17:23.626 --> 00:17:26.906 I sometimes use the columns that are 295 00:17:26.906 --> 00:17:29.476 in the layout if I'm doing list. 296 00:17:29.476 --> 00:17:32.136 You can actually select there's one that's got two 297 00:17:32.136 --> 00:17:33.666 side-by-side content. 298 00:17:34.526 --> 00:17:37.506 You can try that putting information in 299 00:17:37.506 --> 00:17:41.586 but if you're just using the tab and you can see even looking 300 00:17:41.586 --> 00:17:45.636 at this, this is very messy, difficult. 301 00:17:46.626 --> 00:17:48.176 It's not going to read everything, 302 00:17:48.176 --> 00:17:50.456 so you want to make sure you're using real columns. 303 00:17:50.586 --> 00:17:55.216 And if you came to the first presentation I talk all 304 00:17:56.006 --> 00:17:59.666 about color and using color in PowerPoint. 305 00:17:59.986 --> 00:18:07.896 So, information that you're trying to convey needs 306 00:18:07.896 --> 00:18:11.396 to have more than just color to convey that information. 307 00:18:11.396 --> 00:18:15.806 So, I would not rely on color to convey information. 308 00:18:15.806 --> 00:18:22.376 You need to have words to go along with that. 309 00:18:22.376 --> 00:18:24.886 And I think we have some examples. 310 00:18:24.926 --> 00:18:28.836 So, if you are going to use color, 311 00:18:28.836 --> 00:18:30.636 it must be accompanied by text alternatives. 312 00:18:30.636 --> 00:18:33.976 So, as we talked about that pie chart I think I have an example 313 00:18:33.976 --> 00:18:36.946 too but in the color contrast one we have this big pie chart 314 00:18:36.996 --> 00:18:42.136 and it had all these, you know, pie different areas 315 00:18:42.136 --> 00:18:44.436 and all different colors which is going to be difficult 316 00:18:44.436 --> 00:18:47.356 for people to see, to understand, 317 00:18:47.356 --> 00:18:50.896 to differentiate the color and so if you're going to do that, 318 00:18:50.896 --> 00:18:54.236 you should have a text with a line showing what each slice 319 00:18:54.236 --> 00:18:57.236 of that pie is showing and maybe the percentages. 320 00:18:57.326 --> 00:19:02.926 And it must convey, anything you use in text has 321 00:19:02.976 --> 00:19:06.996 to accurately convey the same information. 322 00:19:07.216 --> 00:19:10.726 So, anything that you have conveyed by color, 323 00:19:10.726 --> 00:19:12.866 you need to have text that will convey the same information 324 00:19:12.866 --> 00:19:20.186 and it must be accompanied by, so again text, image, graph, 325 00:19:20.186 --> 00:19:22.106 that does not depend on color for meaning. 326 00:19:22.146 --> 00:19:25.386 So, if I'm colorblind I should be able to read it easily. 327 00:19:25.386 --> 00:19:27.776 I should be able to understand everything that's 328 00:19:27.776 --> 00:19:31.336 in this chart very easily it makes sense to me. 329 00:19:31.336 --> 00:19:34.266 I don't need the color to do it. 330 00:19:34.266 --> 00:19:38.316 And I think these are going to be, before we shift 331 00:19:38.316 --> 00:19:41.426 to the second part of the presentation, I'm just going 332 00:19:41.426 --> 00:19:42.706 to show you the color. 333 00:19:45.326 --> 00:19:50.156 Okay, so here is, I wouldn't spend too much time worrying 334 00:19:50.156 --> 00:19:54.836 about these ratios but if you take a look at this. 335 00:19:54.836 --> 00:19:57.996 If you can't see, I mean take a look, that's very, 336 00:19:57.996 --> 00:19:59.976 very light, very, very 337 00:20:00.046 --> 00:20:01.436 difficult to read. 338 00:20:01.436 --> 00:20:05.606 Light green against white and it gives you the contrast ratio 339 00:20:05.606 --> 00:20:09.106 but I say even if you're not looking at the numbers, 340 00:20:09.106 --> 00:20:11.846 if you can't read that, if it's hard to read it's going 341 00:20:11.846 --> 00:20:15.326 to be very difficult for people to read 342 00:20:15.326 --> 00:20:16.476 that struggle with color. 343 00:20:16.686 --> 00:20:18.286 Much better. 344 00:20:18.966 --> 00:20:20.836 You know, I think the fonts too small. 345 00:20:20.836 --> 00:20:22.476 They're saying that the font is too small 346 00:20:22.476 --> 00:20:24.486 but right now we're just looking at color. 347 00:20:25.026 --> 00:20:29.746 We'll talk about font size in a second. 348 00:20:32.726 --> 00:20:35.186 Large text bad color contrast. 349 00:20:36.456 --> 00:20:38.726 >> Karen we do have a question in the chat. 350 00:20:39.236 --> 00:20:39.536 >> Sure. 351 00:20:39.536 --> 00:20:45.206 >> And it says would you recommend sharing PowerPoints 352 00:20:45.206 --> 00:20:47.436 before giving presentations 353 00:20:47.436 --> 00:20:49.896 so that users have them ahead of time? 354 00:20:49.896 --> 00:20:56.056 >> That's a great question and I will answer that in one second. 355 00:20:56.346 --> 00:21:01.286 Let me finish this part and then I will answer 356 00:21:01.826 --> 00:21:05.066 that because that's a great question. 357 00:21:05.356 --> 00:21:08.906 So, here's a background pattern 358 00:21:08.906 --> 00:21:10.596 but it doesn't interfere with readability. 359 00:21:10.596 --> 00:21:12.526 So, I think you kind of get the sense. 360 00:21:12.526 --> 00:21:17.816 Can you see the color to convey meaning or is that showing up? 361 00:21:18.106 --> 00:21:23.216 Perfect. So again, as I talked about a pie chart if you were 362 00:21:23.216 --> 00:21:28.366 to take all of these numbers out even with this, 363 00:21:28.366 --> 00:21:31.186 it's still very difficult to differentiate colors 364 00:21:31.186 --> 00:21:34.136 but here now you can see you don't need the color, 365 00:21:34.136 --> 00:21:36.156 you can see the different areas 366 00:21:36.156 --> 00:21:41.616 and how they correspond with these. 367 00:21:41.616 --> 00:21:47.176 This is not a good example, so this is, you are going to have 368 00:21:47.176 --> 00:21:49.756 to rely on color to be able to read this. 369 00:21:50.266 --> 00:21:55.376 I can see that there's numbers but I'm not really sure what 370 00:21:55.376 --> 00:21:59.036 that means but here this isn't better because the key 371 00:21:59.036 --> 00:22:03.226 up here still uses color but here in this example you can see 372 00:22:03.226 --> 00:22:06.276 that they've put running is this, 373 00:22:06.276 --> 00:22:07.756 weight training, very easy. 374 00:22:07.756 --> 00:22:10.696 It's easier really for everybody to read 375 00:22:10.996 --> 00:22:14.166 but particularly you're not relying on color 376 00:22:14.166 --> 00:22:15.906 because even thought here's numbers here, 377 00:22:16.216 --> 00:22:22.626 if I can't see these colors I'm not going to know 378 00:22:22.626 --> 00:22:24.586 which one goes with what. 379 00:22:24.816 --> 00:22:28.806 Okay, so I do recommend giving the PowerPoint ahead of time 380 00:22:28.806 --> 00:22:30.736 for a variety of reasons. 381 00:22:30.736 --> 00:22:34.836 One, the user will have it in front of them, 382 00:22:34.836 --> 00:22:36.536 so they don't feel like they have to take 383 00:22:36.536 --> 00:22:39.906 down all the information if they process the information a little 384 00:22:39.906 --> 00:22:41.686 bit slower, it's all right there. 385 00:22:42.136 --> 00:22:44.286 I just went to one with our national. 386 00:22:44.336 --> 00:22:46.416 It's called a HEAD. 387 00:22:46.416 --> 00:22:49.726 It's the Higher Education and Disability organization. 388 00:22:49.726 --> 00:22:53.406 I just went to a webinar, and they made them available 389 00:22:53.826 --> 00:22:59.016 for viewers of the webinar ahead of time. 390 00:22:59.016 --> 00:23:01.316 You know, it's encouraged 391 00:23:01.316 --> 00:23:04.056 because it gives people the opportunity to have it 392 00:23:04.056 --> 00:23:06.886 and to kind of read through it and if they miss information. 393 00:23:06.886 --> 00:23:10.336 But I don't think if you can't, 394 00:23:10.386 --> 00:23:13.856 I don't think that's what's interfering 395 00:23:13.856 --> 00:23:14.986 with the accessibility. 396 00:23:14.986 --> 00:23:19.936 Making sure that everyone has the ability to watch 397 00:23:19.936 --> 00:23:23.816 that presentation in an accessible way and then go back 398 00:23:23.816 --> 00:23:27.576 and look at it later with a screen reader 399 00:23:27.576 --> 00:23:29.256 and all of that good stuff. 400 00:23:29.256 --> 00:23:31.806 If you have to give it later the most important thing is 401 00:23:31.806 --> 00:23:32.756 that is accessible. 402 00:23:32.756 --> 00:23:35.256 So, I think being accessible comes first. 403 00:23:35.256 --> 00:23:38.456 If you can, it's a great idea to hand it out ahead of time. 404 00:23:38.456 --> 00:23:41.016 People can, you know, see, but some people don't want 405 00:23:41.016 --> 00:23:44.676 to give away what they're going to show, you know, so. 406 00:23:44.876 --> 00:23:47.496 There's pros and cons to both. 407 00:23:47.496 --> 00:23:49.746 The most important thing is that once you do give it 408 00:23:49.746 --> 00:23:50.966 out and it's accessible. 409 00:23:53.956 --> 00:23:55.306 You're welcome. 410 00:23:55.306 --> 00:23:57.686 And I'm going to hand it over to Heather too. 411 00:23:57.976 --> 00:23:59.816 And thank you all for your patience. 412 00:23:59.816 --> 00:24:04.596 This is something we've been learning together as an OAR. 413 00:24:05.316 --> 00:24:07.566 So, you know, we're kind of going through it 414 00:24:07.826 --> 00:24:10.236 with you as we teach it. 415 00:24:10.546 --> 00:24:11.296 >> That's right. 416 00:24:11.296 --> 00:24:13.076 So much learning. 417 00:24:13.076 --> 00:24:19.626 So, I am, much of what we're going to talk 418 00:24:19.626 --> 00:24:25.996 about now is some review both from a bit of what Karen talked 419 00:24:25.996 --> 00:24:29.036 about in her color presentation as well 420 00:24:29.036 --> 00:24:30.696 as what we talked about in Word. 421 00:24:30.696 --> 00:24:33.796 But if you're like me, the more I hear it, 422 00:24:33.796 --> 00:24:36.066 the more it actually sinks in, and I retain in. 423 00:24:36.236 --> 00:24:36.946 So, this is good. 424 00:24:36.946 --> 00:24:41.396 It's been good for me to hear it repeatedly. 425 00:24:41.396 --> 00:24:45.606 So, when we talk about text and fonts, a reminder that we want 426 00:24:45.606 --> 00:24:50.286 to avoid using overly decorative fonts which can be hard to read. 427 00:24:50.286 --> 00:24:56.396 We talked about and we looked at curly cues and hyper-italics 428 00:24:56.396 --> 00:25:00.406 and all kinds of things that make them pretty 429 00:25:00.406 --> 00:25:04.196 but really difficult to read for those 430 00:25:04.196 --> 00:25:08.116 who might have some visual difficulties as well as just 431 00:25:08.116 --> 00:25:11.096 so you know, screen readers don't differentiate 432 00:25:11.096 --> 00:25:11.956 different texts. 433 00:25:11.956 --> 00:25:14.656 So, bear that in mind. 434 00:25:14.816 --> 00:25:18.796 One of the things that is a little different for PowerPoints 435 00:25:18.796 --> 00:25:20.696 when we talked about Word we said 436 00:25:20.696 --> 00:25:23.846 that we wanted a font size of at least 10. 437 00:25:24.036 --> 00:25:26.336 Obviously that's a very young person 438 00:25:26.336 --> 00:25:30.206 who decided that's the minimum size but when we look 439 00:25:30.206 --> 00:25:36.316 at PowerPoints we want a minimum font size of at least 18 440 00:25:36.316 --> 00:25:38.316 and really larger where appropriate. 441 00:25:38.316 --> 00:25:40.986 And I'll tell you the PowerPoint that you're looking 442 00:25:40.986 --> 00:25:46.076 at right here, the titles where it says text 443 00:25:46.076 --> 00:25:52.116 and font is actually a 40 and the body of it is a 24. 444 00:25:52.116 --> 00:25:54.536 So, that just gives you can idea of font size. 445 00:25:54.536 --> 00:26:00.516 And again, font styling such as bold, italic and underline, 446 00:26:00.516 --> 00:26:06.016 please do not really on those as the only way to convey meaning 447 00:26:06.016 --> 00:26:09.056 because screen readers generally they're not going 448 00:26:09.056 --> 00:26:13.146 to say italics word and then read the word, 449 00:26:13.146 --> 00:26:15.006 they're just going to read through it. 450 00:26:15.006 --> 00:26:18.806 So, if you're using that or if I'm using that to try 451 00:26:18.806 --> 00:26:21.316 to highlight the importance of something, 452 00:26:21.316 --> 00:26:23.976 the screen reader isn't going to recognize it. 453 00:26:23.976 --> 00:26:25.926 So, we really need to make sure 454 00:26:25.926 --> 00:26:33.406 that we use additional information to convey that. 455 00:26:33.706 --> 00:26:37.596 Also, and I see this a lot, 456 00:26:37.986 --> 00:26:42.716 we need to avoid using excessive font styling, right. 457 00:26:42.886 --> 00:26:49.586 We can get really caps happy or everything is bolded, 458 00:26:49.586 --> 00:26:53.946 or everything is underlined and unfortunately, a, 459 00:26:53.946 --> 00:26:57.776 that makes it incredibly hard to read and our whole point 460 00:26:57.776 --> 00:27:01.066 to say hey this is important is now not taken 461 00:27:01.066 --> 00:27:03.036 in because everything is important. 462 00:27:03.036 --> 00:27:10.916 So, we need to keep using that font styling at a minimum. 463 00:27:10.916 --> 00:27:14.876 Avoid using strikethrough text which makes me sad. 464 00:27:14.876 --> 00:27:16.646 I don't know what it is. 465 00:27:16.646 --> 00:27:19.836 I have an affinity for strikethrough texts especially 466 00:27:19.836 --> 00:27:21.736 if I'm doing editing, like if, you know, 467 00:27:21.736 --> 00:27:25.246 one of my kids sends me an email and they're like hey I want 468 00:27:25.366 --> 00:27:28.566 to use the strikethrough here's what I took out. 469 00:27:28.756 --> 00:27:31.296 But screen readers don't recognize it. 470 00:27:31.296 --> 00:27:33.486 So, they're going to read straight through that 471 00:27:33.486 --> 00:27:36.406 and the person utilizing the screen reader isn't going 472 00:27:36.406 --> 00:27:39.336 to know that those words or that portion 473 00:27:39.336 --> 00:27:41.916 of text should be eliminated. 474 00:27:42.216 --> 00:27:45.886 If you want to highlight something important, 475 00:27:45.886 --> 00:27:50.216 you can use the highlight text feature but make sure 476 00:27:50.216 --> 00:27:54.356 that you use the word important right before it and that's 477 00:27:54.356 --> 00:27:57.756 for those users who can't rely on their vision, 478 00:27:57.896 --> 00:28:01.456 they're not going to see that highlight whether it's 479 00:28:01.456 --> 00:28:03.856 because of a visual impairment, whether it's 480 00:28:03.856 --> 00:28:05.306 because of color blindness. 481 00:28:05.406 --> 00:28:08.546 It could be a multitude of reasons but there does need 482 00:28:08.546 --> 00:28:14.196 to be a text sign that this has been highlighted, 483 00:28:14.196 --> 00:28:17.766 this is important information to take down. 484 00:28:17.766 --> 00:28:20.596 Also, for your FYI, many symbols 485 00:28:20.596 --> 00:28:24.576 and special characters are not announced correctly 486 00:28:24.656 --> 00:28:27.126 or at all by screen readers. 487 00:28:27.256 --> 00:28:32.876 So, if you're using an asterisk or if we're using quotations 488 00:28:32.876 --> 00:28:36.126 or what other fun symbols do we have? 489 00:28:36.126 --> 00:28:40.586 I love the little curly, little curly dash is another one 490 00:28:40.586 --> 00:28:41.656 of my favorites 491 00:28:41.656 --> 00:28:44.696 and unfortunately the screen reader doesn't even know 492 00:28:44.696 --> 00:28:45.356 it's there. 493 00:28:45.356 --> 00:28:47.656 So, it's important just to know 494 00:28:47.916 --> 00:28:50.466 that those won't be read by the screen reader. 495 00:28:50.466 --> 00:28:54.076 So, if you're using an asterisk kind of as a, 496 00:28:54.076 --> 00:28:58.376 lots of times we see them if you're reading the text 497 00:28:58.376 --> 00:29:00.656 and you see a little asterisk it lets you know to find 498 00:29:00.656 --> 00:29:03.716 that asterisk down below to give you more information, 499 00:29:03.716 --> 00:29:07.496 just know the screen reader is likely not going to do identify 500 00:29:07.496 --> 00:29:08.706 that the asterisk if there, 501 00:29:08.706 --> 00:29:11.606 that the person utilizing the screen reader isn't going 502 00:29:11.606 --> 00:29:13.706 to know to go look for that. 503 00:29:13.956 --> 00:29:16.506 >> Heather, can you go back one slide. 504 00:29:16.926 --> 00:29:21.336 I just wanted to point out that the slide before was text 505 00:29:21.336 --> 00:29:25.986 and fonts and this one is text and fonts and she put a two, 506 00:29:25.986 --> 00:29:28.666 so that's the appropriate thing to do. 507 00:29:28.666 --> 00:29:32.796 We also have a question in the chat. 508 00:29:33.236 --> 00:29:36.386 And the question is what about math symbols used 509 00:29:36.386 --> 00:29:41.796 by the equation editor in Word PowerPoint. 510 00:29:41.796 --> 00:29:41.863 >> [laughter]. 511 00:29:41.863 --> 00:29:49.646 Math is a whole separate language on its own. 512 00:29:49.736 --> 00:29:54.876 Yeah, so, what we know is that you referred to it, you know, 513 00:29:54.876 --> 00:29:57.676 when you're talking about I know there's MathType, 514 00:29:57.676 --> 00:29:59.246 there's Equatio. 515 00:29:59.306 --> 00:29:59.976 When 516 00:30:00.056 --> 00:30:05.166 Those are used to create your documents, 517 00:30:05.166 --> 00:30:06.996 Equatio can also read them. 518 00:30:07.106 --> 00:30:12.696 Not all screen readers are going to do well with them. 519 00:30:12.696 --> 00:30:13.746 We're learning. 520 00:30:13.746 --> 00:30:21.106 That's probably the area that we have tried to learn the most, 521 00:30:21.106 --> 00:30:24.306 we have learned the most but it's also the biggest area 522 00:30:24.306 --> 00:30:26.806 to learn and we don't have all the answers yet. 523 00:30:26.996 --> 00:30:29.646 Bear with us over the next few months. 524 00:30:29.646 --> 00:30:34.386 I'm sure there will be much more to come with that, but Equatio 525 00:30:34.386 --> 00:30:36.306 and MathType are definitely the keys 526 00:30:36.306 --> 00:30:38.706 in creating those documents. 527 00:30:38.846 --> 00:30:40.376 >> So, what you're saying Heather is 528 00:30:40.376 --> 00:30:44.846 that if you have math, if you create it within those starting 529 00:30:44.846 --> 00:30:46.636 from scratch kind of putting things in, 530 00:30:46.746 --> 00:30:51.896 the screen reader is going to be more likely to read it rather 531 00:30:51.896 --> 00:30:55.966 than if you have a document that was made as a PDF or in Word 532 00:30:55.966 --> 00:30:57.906 and then you use a screen reader to read 533 00:30:57.906 --> 00:30:59.536 and those have equations, right. 534 00:30:59.576 --> 00:31:00.306 Is that what? 535 00:31:00.306 --> 00:31:05.866 >> It can still be in a PDF, but it needs to either have MathType 536 00:31:05.866 --> 00:31:11.996 which is the word add in program or have used Equatio 537 00:31:11.996 --> 00:31:14.746 to create the equations themselves. 538 00:31:14.746 --> 00:31:16.136 It's all about what is used 539 00:31:16.136 --> 00:31:18.916 to create the equations in a document. 540 00:31:18.916 --> 00:31:20.346 >> Thank you for clarifying. 541 00:31:20.506 --> 00:31:20.806 >> Yep. 542 00:31:20.806 --> 00:31:25.746 >> And certainly, there'll be more to follow with math. 543 00:31:25.936 --> 00:31:27.176 >> So, much more [laughter]. 544 00:31:27.176 --> 00:31:32.916 I'm sorry I know that's not a complete answer. 545 00:31:32.916 --> 00:31:34.376 I wish I had it for you. 546 00:31:34.376 --> 00:31:36.216 We just don't have it yet, 547 00:31:36.216 --> 00:31:38.806 but we are working on it desperately. 548 00:31:39.116 --> 00:31:41.836 The next thing we're going 549 00:31:41.836 --> 00:31:46.436 to reference once more is alternative text or alt text. 550 00:31:46.436 --> 00:31:50.986 And probably more even than Word documents we find 551 00:31:50.986 --> 00:31:54.016 that PowerPoints have lots of pictures and images 552 00:31:54.016 --> 00:31:59.286 and graphics, so it's really important 553 00:31:59.666 --> 00:32:02.136 when we discuss these PowerPoints. 554 00:32:02.136 --> 00:32:04.816 And I'm hoping, I don't know if it'll show you or not. 555 00:32:05.256 --> 00:32:07.736 Nope. It was doing it early. 556 00:32:07.736 --> 00:32:09.066 I think as I'm sharing, 557 00:32:09.066 --> 00:32:12.406 typically what I would hover here I just happen to notice 558 00:32:12.406 --> 00:32:14.556 that while we were preparing 559 00:32:14.556 --> 00:32:18.726 over the Cayuga it actually it popped up just this little box 560 00:32:18.726 --> 00:32:21.596 that said Cayuga logo and I thought oh look 561 00:32:21.596 --> 00:32:27.616 at that we have alt text in our little PowerPoint. 562 00:32:27.836 --> 00:32:32.246 Alright, images need to have equivalent alternative text. 563 00:32:32.246 --> 00:32:34.796 And what that means is that the text 564 00:32:34.796 --> 00:32:40.786 that is describing the image, needs to describe it well. 565 00:32:40.976 --> 00:32:46.506 You know, just saying a person is not an equivalent alt text. 566 00:32:46.506 --> 00:32:50.376 It doesn't let the person using the screen reader know what the 567 00:32:50.376 --> 00:32:50.726 image is. 568 00:32:50.726 --> 00:32:54.146 And its really important when the image or the picture 569 00:32:54.146 --> 00:32:56.896 or the graphic is conveying information. 570 00:32:56.896 --> 00:33:00.236 It's not quite as important if it's not, 571 00:33:00.236 --> 00:33:05.526 although it is nice that, you know, it said ccc logo 572 00:33:05.526 --> 00:33:10.716 but if there isn't, I might be getting ahead of myself, 573 00:33:10.716 --> 00:33:13.526 so we flip the slide just bear with me if this is there. 574 00:33:13.526 --> 00:33:16.716 If it isn't conveying information, 575 00:33:16.716 --> 00:33:19.576 it is okay to just put decorative. 576 00:33:20.196 --> 00:33:23.436 Just let them know it's something to make it look nice 577 00:33:23.666 --> 00:33:26.896 but actually put the word decorative in the box 578 00:33:26.896 --> 00:33:29.656 and I'll show you where you can do that when we flip down. 579 00:33:30.546 --> 00:33:33.336 Alt text is a description of an image 580 00:33:33.336 --> 00:33:38.646 that the screen reader will read for users 581 00:33:38.646 --> 00:33:40.416 who are blind or have low vision. 582 00:33:40.416 --> 00:33:43.636 And it's so simple. 583 00:33:44.026 --> 00:33:46.126 It sounds fancy but it's really simple. 584 00:33:46.126 --> 00:33:48.336 You're going to go right to your image or your picture. 585 00:33:48.336 --> 00:33:50.376 You're going to right click on it. 586 00:33:50.376 --> 00:33:53.736 One of your choices is going to be edit alt text 587 00:33:53.736 --> 00:33:55.836 and I'll show you all this after. 588 00:33:55.836 --> 00:33:57.326 And then you're going to type just right 589 00:33:57.326 --> 00:33:58.846 into the box that appears. 590 00:34:01.836 --> 00:34:03.546 So, they've done that here. 591 00:34:04.306 --> 00:34:09.026 And so, when they hover this is what shows up 592 00:34:09.026 --> 00:34:11.006 and this is what the screen reader would read. 593 00:34:11.006 --> 00:34:13.736 You can see this is a poor example. 594 00:34:13.976 --> 00:34:15.296 Picture of a student. 595 00:34:15.926 --> 00:34:21.466 Well, is it a 4-year-old student in an elementary school room? 596 00:34:21.466 --> 00:34:25.876 Is it a blind student reading braille? 597 00:34:25.876 --> 00:34:27.696 You know there's really no context. 598 00:34:27.696 --> 00:34:30.966 There's no equivalent. 599 00:34:31.676 --> 00:34:37.086 Over here a post graduate engineering student working 600 00:34:37.086 --> 00:34:39.516 in a new electron microscope lab. 601 00:34:40.136 --> 00:34:42.176 So, you can really see the difference 602 00:34:42.176 --> 00:34:48.656 in the quality of the alt text. 603 00:34:49.056 --> 00:34:52.276 You will see when you right click 604 00:34:52.276 --> 00:34:57.626 and your alt text box pops up, an option for it 605 00:34:57.626 --> 00:35:01.016 to generate a description for you 606 00:35:01.116 --> 00:35:05.196 and we really advise against using this. 607 00:35:05.196 --> 00:35:08.756 Typically, the quality of that automatically generated 608 00:35:08.756 --> 00:35:10.296 description is poor. 609 00:35:10.296 --> 00:35:17.356 It's not equivalent and it also does not necessarily convey the 610 00:35:17.356 --> 00:35:20.766 information that you want the user to get 611 00:35:20.766 --> 00:35:23.256 from that picture or graphic. 612 00:35:23.256 --> 00:35:27.416 You know, sometimes two people might use the same image 613 00:35:27.416 --> 00:35:30.776 but for totally different information purposes. 614 00:35:30.776 --> 00:35:33.896 So, we want to be aware of that. 615 00:35:34.106 --> 00:35:35.956 And then this is where we were talking 616 00:35:35.956 --> 00:35:39.426 about so some images serve only a decorative purpose. 617 00:35:39.426 --> 00:35:42.076 You'll see that down here you have an option 618 00:35:42.076 --> 00:35:44.416 to mark it as decorative. 619 00:35:45.546 --> 00:35:48.306 Screen readers don't recognize this. 620 00:35:48.506 --> 00:35:51.916 So, when they come across a picture they're going 621 00:35:51.916 --> 00:35:52.956 to say image. 622 00:35:55.246 --> 00:35:59.536 If this is chat that is all the screen reader will say. 623 00:35:59.656 --> 00:36:04.486 If you actually go up in here in this text box 624 00:36:04.486 --> 00:36:06.266 and write the word decorative, 625 00:36:06.686 --> 00:36:10.386 the screen reader will say image decorative 626 00:36:10.556 --> 00:36:13.176 and that way the screen reader user knows 627 00:36:13.176 --> 00:36:17.936 that this is not an image that conveys important information 628 00:36:17.936 --> 00:36:19.906 for them in the context of what they're reading. 629 00:36:21.276 --> 00:36:27.166 Alright and let me, I believe I have these pulled up. 630 00:36:27.166 --> 00:36:28.786 Let's take a look. 631 00:36:39.026 --> 00:36:42.986 Alright, so you can see we have a lovely picture 632 00:36:42.986 --> 00:36:45.876 of New York City. 633 00:36:45.966 --> 00:36:48.746 They've right clicked and so this is what you'll see 634 00:36:48.746 --> 00:36:53.216 when you right click and you can select, edit alt text. 635 00:36:55.616 --> 00:36:58.666 And then just as we've shown before the box will show up 636 00:36:58.666 --> 00:37:08.136 and you can type in your equivalent alternative text. 637 00:37:08.136 --> 00:37:09.776 >> Heather I have a question. 638 00:37:09.776 --> 00:37:09.843 >> Yeah. 639 00:37:09.843 --> 00:37:14.506 >> So, why would, do we know, we know that we have 640 00:37:14.506 --> 00:37:17.326 to type the word decorative in but what is the purpose 641 00:37:17.326 --> 00:37:19.046 of mark as decorative? 642 00:37:19.046 --> 00:37:22.406 Why do they even that box? 643 00:37:22.406 --> 00:37:24.306 >> You know that's a great question 644 00:37:24.306 --> 00:37:27.656 and I'm not really sure why if this is here 645 00:37:28.156 --> 00:37:32.886 to provide accessibility why it wouldn't automatically generate 646 00:37:32.886 --> 00:37:39.036 for the screen reader you know the word decorative. 647 00:37:39.036 --> 00:37:39.776 I don't know. 648 00:37:39.776 --> 00:37:44.266 >> Maybe it thought it was going to and then as they got into it, 649 00:37:44.266 --> 00:37:48.336 they realized that it's not. 650 00:37:48.716 --> 00:37:50.166 >> Now I want to know the answer. 651 00:37:50.226 --> 00:37:52.356 Now I'm going to find it and then I'll share it 652 00:37:52.356 --> 00:37:53.136 with all of you [laughter]. 653 00:37:53.296 --> 00:38:00.886 Alright, we'll just take a quick look at this. 654 00:38:01.446 --> 00:38:04.706 Images that convey content must have programmatically 655 00:38:04.706 --> 00:38:08.016 determinable alternative texts. 656 00:38:08.046 --> 00:38:12.466 So, you can see there's nothing in our, it's just missing. 657 00:38:12.466 --> 00:38:13.596 And you'll see that. 658 00:38:13.596 --> 00:38:15.726 When you run your accessibility checker, 659 00:38:15.826 --> 00:38:18.416 at the end whether it's your Word document, 660 00:38:18.416 --> 00:38:21.406 whether it's your PowerPoint, any other document, 661 00:38:21.406 --> 00:38:22.476 a lot of times you'll see 662 00:38:22.476 --> 00:38:26.136 that missing alt text, missing alt text. 663 00:38:26.136 --> 00:38:28.366 And this is what it means is there's somewhere there's an 664 00:38:28.366 --> 00:38:33.716 image, a graphic and that there's nothing in this box. 665 00:38:34.676 --> 00:38:38.306 I think the other thing, I think Karen if I had to guess, 666 00:38:38.306 --> 00:38:43.446 if you check that, it tells the checker that it's okay. 667 00:38:45.656 --> 00:38:46.616 Does that make sense? 668 00:38:46.616 --> 00:38:49.356 Like maybe the checker is, I don't know that for a fact. 669 00:38:49.356 --> 00:38:50.806 I'm going to get back to you on that. 670 00:38:50.806 --> 00:38:51.696 >> That's okay. 671 00:38:51.876 --> 00:38:53.246 I'm looking at it. 672 00:38:53.246 --> 00:38:53.606 >> Oh good. 673 00:38:53.606 --> 00:38:59.756 And you can see here an example of good alt text for this 674 00:38:59.756 --> 00:39:02.786 where it says two smiling young women crossing the street. 675 00:39:02.866 --> 00:39:05.676 One woman is blind holding a white cane 676 00:39:05.676 --> 00:39:07.266 and being guided by the other. 677 00:39:07.266 --> 00:39:14.386 So, just a great example of what can be shared. 678 00:39:14.576 --> 00:39:24.886 >> I will say that what I'm reading it might be a little bit 679 00:39:24.886 --> 00:39:31.656 more involved but there's a way to make it, if you mark that, 680 00:39:31.866 --> 00:39:36.326 if you do some back work and make everything that. 681 00:39:36.736 --> 00:39:39.666 There's a way that you can use that, but you have 682 00:39:39.726 --> 00:39:41.866 to do some work underneath the scenes, 683 00:39:41.866 --> 00:39:45.296 and it will actually skip over the image. 684 00:39:45.436 --> 00:39:48.196 It won't interrupt the reading flow and say image decorative. 685 00:39:48.196 --> 00:39:50.216 So, I think there's two ways to do it. 686 00:39:50.216 --> 00:39:54.646 More to follow on that but for now I would say put decorative 687 00:39:54.646 --> 00:39:55.836 in there. 688 00:39:56.136 --> 00:39:56.736 >> Yep. 689 00:39:56.826 --> 00:39:59.976 >> I am just going to take a closer look at that 690 00:40:00.056 --> 00:40:04.516 You know the idea is that it will be, 691 00:40:05.406 --> 00:40:09.266 as long as we're letting the reader know 692 00:40:09.796 --> 00:40:11.836 that if there's something there as long 693 00:40:11.836 --> 00:40:14.626 as we're letting them know that's it's not content 694 00:40:15.116 --> 00:40:16.946 that's important. 695 00:40:17.136 --> 00:40:19.686 >> I'm just making myself a note. 696 00:40:19.826 --> 00:40:21.366 [multiple speakers] back to that. 697 00:40:21.366 --> 00:40:22.036 Absolutely. 698 00:40:22.656 --> 00:40:25.556 We learned something new during the presentation. 699 00:40:25.556 --> 00:40:26.026 I love this. 700 00:40:26.026 --> 00:40:30.836 Alright, next thing we're going to talk about are tables. 701 00:40:30.836 --> 00:40:37.136 I am not one who has used tables often whether it's 702 00:40:37.136 --> 00:40:39.326 in my Word documents or in PowerPoint, 703 00:40:39.326 --> 00:40:43.246 so this was a pretty big learning area for me, 704 00:40:43.336 --> 00:40:45.706 and I have not fully grasped that. 705 00:40:45.706 --> 00:40:47.426 But I'm going to share the information 706 00:40:47.426 --> 00:40:51.886 that Jeannie gathered together for us and just 707 00:40:51.886 --> 00:40:55.596 about how we add them to the PowerPoint is really important 708 00:40:55.596 --> 00:40:57.376 in order for them to be accessible. 709 00:40:57.376 --> 00:41:02.486 So, to add in new data table to a slide always use insert table. 710 00:41:02.696 --> 00:41:07.176 And it's found across your ribbon at the top. 711 00:41:07.176 --> 00:41:11.226 On the insert tab click insert table 712 00:41:11.576 --> 00:41:13.866 and when the new table is inserted, 713 00:41:13.866 --> 00:41:17.806 the table design toolbar will automatically open and here's 714 00:41:17.806 --> 00:41:21.386 where you're going to be able to do some customization. 715 00:41:21.386 --> 00:41:23.806 Make sure your header row is checked. 716 00:41:23.806 --> 00:41:26.316 You want to make sure that you provide column headers 717 00:41:26.316 --> 00:41:29.336 for your data table directly on the table 718 00:41:29.336 --> 00:41:32.976 because that's what makes it accessible to the screen reader. 719 00:41:33.356 --> 00:41:37.466 And don't use the draw table option. 720 00:41:37.466 --> 00:41:38.846 I know they can be really nice, 721 00:41:38.846 --> 00:41:42.066 and you get to do your own thing, but it does separate 722 00:41:42.066 --> 00:41:44.156 that from the screen reader. 723 00:41:44.156 --> 00:41:46.276 It makes it not accessible. 724 00:41:46.636 --> 00:41:51.726 So, anyone have any question on tables? 725 00:41:51.796 --> 00:41:54.336 Not that I can answer it, but I am more than happy 726 00:41:54.336 --> 00:41:59.686 to hear your questions. 727 00:41:59.906 --> 00:42:06.576 Alright. And then similar to alt text is link text. 728 00:42:06.576 --> 00:42:11.826 Screen reader users can navigate by various types of elements 729 00:42:11.826 --> 00:42:15.166 in a document and one of those is links. 730 00:42:15.346 --> 00:42:19.656 You know, say someone attended a presentation and they're 731 00:42:19.656 --> 00:42:23.336 like oh I know there was a reference to a link 732 00:42:23.336 --> 00:42:25.786 in here somewhere and they just want to tab right through it 733 00:42:25.786 --> 00:42:28.536 with the screen reader we need to make sure that links 734 00:42:28.596 --> 00:42:35.016 that we incorporate into our PowerPoint have meaningful link 735 00:42:35.016 --> 00:42:38.526 texts so that when a screen reader gets to it, 736 00:42:38.586 --> 00:42:45.156 the user knows exactly where that link is going to take them. 737 00:42:45.546 --> 00:42:50.036 And that can be for web pages or emails or to navigate 738 00:42:50.036 --> 00:42:53.916 to headings or bookmarks that can take people, the user, 739 00:42:53.916 --> 00:42:57.526 to multiple places either within the PowerPoint itself 740 00:42:57.526 --> 00:43:01.306 or to outside sources. 741 00:43:01.306 --> 00:43:05.586 If we don't use link text, if we don't create link text, 742 00:43:06.186 --> 00:43:10.516 the screen reader is going to read the raw URL. 743 00:43:11.286 --> 00:43:13.356 Sometimes that's not so bad. 744 00:43:14.166 --> 00:43:17.836 Sometimes it's really, really long and just a whole bunch 745 00:43:17.836 --> 00:43:21.436 of random characters together that the internet has used 746 00:43:21.436 --> 00:43:25.576 to identify, you know, this particular website. 747 00:43:25.716 --> 00:43:27.126 And that's not helpful. 748 00:43:27.166 --> 00:43:29.546 You know if someone is using a screen reader and they're trying 749 00:43:29.546 --> 00:43:33.316 to tab and find out where this link is 750 00:43:33.316 --> 00:43:34.546 and where it will take them. 751 00:43:34.546 --> 00:43:37.986 So, without meaningful link text, 752 00:43:37.986 --> 00:43:41.246 a user wouldn't know where the URL leads. 753 00:43:44.676 --> 00:43:49.346 So, really similar and super-easy 754 00:43:49.346 --> 00:43:52.006 to use to put in link texts. 755 00:43:52.006 --> 00:43:56.156 You're going to right click, you put in your URL text 756 00:43:56.156 --> 00:44:00.516 and then you're going to right click right on top of it 757 00:44:00.516 --> 00:44:07.396 and you'll select, edit link and then this window pops up 758 00:44:07.396 --> 00:44:10.296 and you'll see your address, your URL. 759 00:44:10.336 --> 00:44:12.966 It will be right here. 760 00:44:12.966 --> 00:44:14.896 Typically, it shows up on its own. 761 00:44:14.896 --> 00:44:16.846 If it doesn't, you can put it in there. 762 00:44:16.846 --> 00:44:20.886 Typically, it shows up and then right up here at the top you get 763 00:44:20.886 --> 00:44:25.716 to type in the meaningful link text that you want to use. 764 00:44:26.116 --> 00:44:30.666 Just like with our alt text, you don't want to say image 765 00:44:30.666 --> 00:44:33.336 and you don't want to type the word link 766 00:44:33.336 --> 00:44:36.486 because the screen reader will announce that. 767 00:44:36.646 --> 00:44:39.076 So, it will announce link 768 00:44:39.246 --> 00:44:43.106 and then it will announce web aim introduction 769 00:44:43.106 --> 00:44:44.706 to web accessibility. 770 00:44:45.036 --> 00:44:49.176 That's what this example is and actually we were going to go 771 00:44:49.176 --> 00:44:54.616 to Deque University PowerPoint linked text examples 772 00:44:55.356 --> 00:44:56.736 and as we were doing this I'm like no, 773 00:44:56.736 --> 00:45:02.306 Deque University PowerPoint link text examples is an example 774 00:45:02.306 --> 00:45:05.636 of our link text in itself. 775 00:45:05.636 --> 00:45:10.996 And it's the link text that was created for this URL below. 776 00:45:10.996 --> 00:45:13.516 So, a screen reader can jump right to that. 777 00:45:13.516 --> 00:45:18.296 The user is going to know oh here's my link text examples. 778 00:45:18.296 --> 00:45:21.176 That's what I'm looking for or I'm not. 779 00:45:24.546 --> 00:45:29.166 Alright. And then just some things regarding multimedia. 780 00:45:29.596 --> 00:45:36.476 You know, often we might have a video, or we might have, 781 00:45:36.476 --> 00:45:39.146 you know, some other source of multimedia imbedded 782 00:45:39.146 --> 00:45:42.256 into our PowerPoint, we just want to be aware 783 00:45:42.256 --> 00:45:44.776 that when we do that, when we incorporate these things 784 00:45:44.776 --> 00:45:46.426 into our PowerPoints, 785 00:45:46.616 --> 00:45:51.666 that prerecorded videos must have synchronized captions. 786 00:45:51.716 --> 00:45:57.346 So, the captions present the audio element of the video 787 00:45:57.346 --> 00:45:58.806 in text form and that's going 788 00:45:58.806 --> 00:46:03.666 to include not only what's being said but the surrounding noises. 789 00:46:03.666 --> 00:46:05.596 Maybe it's a train or a barking dog 790 00:46:05.596 --> 00:46:09.156 or there's wind or a cheering crowd. 791 00:46:09.156 --> 00:46:14.186 Those kinds of things all need to be represented by captions. 792 00:46:14.586 --> 00:46:17.626 And with our prerecorded multimedia, 793 00:46:18.116 --> 00:46:23.466 video plus audio should have a text transcript 794 00:46:23.466 --> 00:46:27.676 and a text transcript is a text log of all dialogue 795 00:46:27.676 --> 00:46:31.206 and narration in a video available separately 796 00:46:31.206 --> 00:46:32.666 from the video itself. 797 00:46:32.666 --> 00:46:35.466 So, it should be available afterward 798 00:46:35.596 --> 00:46:38.286 without the video itself. 799 00:46:38.286 --> 00:46:41.426 The text transcript should identify who is speaking 800 00:46:41.426 --> 00:46:45.766 and it also should describe the other visual information. 801 00:46:45.766 --> 00:46:47.986 So, not just sound but it also needs 802 00:46:47.986 --> 00:46:51.146 to fully describe what is happening visually. 803 00:46:51.606 --> 00:46:55.546 Any questions? 804 00:47:01.306 --> 00:47:04.596 And then converting our PowerPoint to PDFs. 805 00:47:04.596 --> 00:47:07.546 So, the nice thing just like with our Word documents 806 00:47:07.546 --> 00:47:10.696 when we convert our PowerPoint to a PDF file, 807 00:47:10.696 --> 00:47:14.626 it makes it so that it first 808 00:47:14.626 --> 00:47:16.946 of all can't be changed by someone else. 809 00:47:16.946 --> 00:47:18.226 It locks it in. 810 00:47:18.616 --> 00:47:24.836 For something like this where it's a live presentation 811 00:47:24.836 --> 00:47:28.066 to just use a PowerPoint is fine but if you're going 812 00:47:28.066 --> 00:47:30.806 to put your content in Blackboard or you're going 813 00:47:30.806 --> 00:47:33.896 to put your content somewhere else on the web 814 00:47:33.896 --> 00:47:37.496 where someone is going to open it when you're not present, 815 00:47:37.496 --> 00:47:39.926 they're going to go through it, they're going to use it 816 00:47:39.926 --> 00:47:43.836 for their purposes, you really want to have it as a PDF 817 00:47:43.836 --> 00:47:45.026 because it locks it in. 818 00:47:45.026 --> 00:47:48.796 And how do we do that? 819 00:47:49.106 --> 00:47:54.786 So, in Windows you can click file and then click export 820 00:47:54.906 --> 00:47:58.326 and then this little box is going to pop up 821 00:47:58.326 --> 00:48:04.716 and you can either create Adobe PDF or, in our case, 822 00:48:04.716 --> 00:48:10.356 our computers pop up with create PDF XPS document. 823 00:48:10.356 --> 00:48:13.736 And then you can click create Adobe PDF. 824 00:48:13.866 --> 00:48:17.556 Click that button and it does it for you. 825 00:48:17.556 --> 00:48:22.026 If you happen to be MAC user, well PowerPoint 826 00:48:22.146 --> 00:48:25.886 for MAC does not allow you to save as a tag to PDF. 827 00:48:25.886 --> 00:48:32.426 However, you can upload your file to OneDrive, download a tag 828 00:48:32.426 --> 00:48:35.306 to copy via the online version. 829 00:48:35.306 --> 00:48:37.976 So, that happens in OneDrive. 830 00:48:37.976 --> 00:48:41.166 It's a little bit different for MAC users 831 00:48:41.256 --> 00:48:44.906 but when they have some, but I know most of our, at least our, 832 00:48:44.906 --> 00:48:47.326 computers campus are in Windows. 833 00:48:47.326 --> 00:48:51.006 So, it's a pretty simple process. 834 00:48:51.336 --> 00:48:56.966 And then, last but not least, when you are done 835 00:48:56.966 --> 00:49:00.496 with your PowerPoint always great to go 836 00:49:00.496 --> 00:49:02.766 to the accessibility checker. 837 00:49:03.306 --> 00:49:06.296 Right up here it's going to be in your bar across the top 838 00:49:06.296 --> 00:49:09.066 of your screen and when you click 839 00:49:09.066 --> 00:49:12.106 that it's going to give you this box. 840 00:49:12.296 --> 00:49:18.166 And within the box it's going to show you the things 841 00:49:18.166 --> 00:49:20.366 that the accessibility checker has found. 842 00:49:20.366 --> 00:49:23.576 And each thing is going to be classified as either an error, 843 00:49:24.196 --> 00:49:27.456 a warning or a tip, okay. 844 00:49:27.456 --> 00:49:30.216 So, the error is you know what, this isn't good. 845 00:49:30.216 --> 00:49:32.986 You need to fix this. 846 00:49:32.986 --> 00:49:35.086 A warning is check this. 847 00:49:35.306 --> 00:49:37.096 Did you do this on purpose? 848 00:49:37.096 --> 00:49:40.146 You know, if you did it on purpose for a reason okay 849 00:49:40.146 --> 00:49:43.196 but we highly recommend you do it this other way. 850 00:49:43.196 --> 00:49:47.166 And the tip is just hey you know here's a suggestion. 851 00:49:47.206 --> 00:49:49.766 It doesn't make it less accessible 852 00:49:49.766 --> 00:49:51.716 but there's something more you can do 853 00:49:51.716 --> 00:49:54.546 or there's a different way you can do it. 854 00:49:54.546 --> 00:49:56.086 It might give you an easier way. 855 00:49:56.086 --> 00:49:58.396 And I don't know if you can see this. 856 00:49:58.396 --> 00:49:59.936 Let's go back to that 857 00:50:00.046 --> 00:50:02.396 10-point font again. 858 00:50:02.396 --> 00:50:06.016 So, it's going to show you the inspection results 859 00:50:06.016 --> 00:50:07.916 and here you'll see these are errors. 860 00:50:08.046 --> 00:50:12.956 It's missing alternative texts and then it's going 861 00:50:12.956 --> 00:50:15.626 to tell you picture one. 862 00:50:15.626 --> 00:50:19.816 So, before you click on picture one, well you can highlight it 863 00:50:19.816 --> 00:50:23.296 and then it will show you why you need to fix it 864 00:50:23.296 --> 00:50:27.086 and also tips on how to fix it. 865 00:50:27.476 --> 00:50:29.316 Additionally, you might be I don't know 866 00:50:29.316 --> 00:50:33.546 which one is picture one or which one is rectangle two. 867 00:50:33.596 --> 00:50:37.336 When you click on this it is going to take you right to where 868 00:50:37.336 --> 00:50:39.846 that problem is and it's going to highlight it. 869 00:50:39.846 --> 00:50:41.686 It's going to put a box around it for you. 870 00:50:41.686 --> 00:50:45.386 So, you're going to be really clear about where the problem is 871 00:50:45.386 --> 00:50:47.286 and then have the step by step right there 872 00:50:47.286 --> 00:50:50.776 about how you can fix it which is great. 873 00:50:50.776 --> 00:50:52.216 It's not going to catch everything 874 00:50:52.546 --> 00:51:00.396 but it's a really great place to start and one 875 00:51:00.396 --> 00:51:03.206 of the things you can do. 876 00:51:03.206 --> 00:51:06.476 So, because you can use the accessibility checker you can 877 00:51:06.476 --> 00:51:08.766 start there and if you're like oh I really want to be sure. 878 00:51:08.766 --> 00:51:10.976 There's some manual things you can do. 879 00:51:20.396 --> 00:51:24.786 Alright. Did it work? 880 00:51:24.886 --> 00:51:26.026 Yay, alright. 881 00:51:26.086 --> 00:51:34.056 So, there is a Deque checklist and when you click 882 00:51:34.056 --> 00:51:37.516 on here there's a really long, I could scroll down, 883 00:51:37.516 --> 00:51:38.316 but [inaudible], down there. 884 00:51:38.316 --> 00:51:46.086 And you get a summary and checklist 885 00:51:46.086 --> 00:51:48.796 about Microsoft PowerPoint accessibility. 886 00:51:48.796 --> 00:51:52.296 So, you can go through and look at this checklist 887 00:51:52.296 --> 00:51:56.696 in reference to your PowerPoint. 888 00:51:56.696 --> 00:51:58.426 Certainly, there's going to be things that apply. 889 00:51:58.426 --> 00:52:00.716 There's going to be things in this checklist that don't 890 00:52:00.716 --> 00:52:05.126 but it's a really nicely condensed place to look at all 891 00:52:05.126 --> 00:52:08.046 of the things that should be taken into consideration. 892 00:52:10.566 --> 00:52:13.756 Some of things that Karen had talked about slide titles, 893 00:52:13.896 --> 00:52:23.216 columns, color contrast, text and fonts, images, links, 894 00:52:27.636 --> 00:52:30.846 so tables, lots of other things. 895 00:52:30.846 --> 00:52:34.346 All the things that should be taken into consideration. 896 00:52:41.666 --> 00:52:46.666 Alright, does anyone, that was a whole lot of a whole bunch 897 00:52:46.666 --> 00:52:48.716 of things, does anyone have any questions 898 00:52:48.716 --> 00:52:50.436 that they haven't already asked yet? 899 00:53:01.346 --> 00:53:04.076 I'm just going to put our info up but certainly please 900 00:53:04.076 --> 00:53:06.706 if you have questions or thoughts, we welcome you 901 00:53:06.706 --> 00:53:07.976 to ask them at this time or share.